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		<title>By: dkzody</title>
		<link>http://creatinglifelonglearners.com/?p=441&#038;cpage=1#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>dkzody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just returned to these postings and found Teacher World&#039;s last remark.  Yes, there are many factors that make an excellent teacher, just as there are many areas of performance where any employee must do well, regardless of the industry.  How well does your product function is a big question for me.  I can take very rough sophomores, work with them for a couple of years, and end up with some of the best students on campus.  I&#039;ve had people say, &quot;you get the best kids, that&#039;s why you do so well.&quot;  No, I get the regular kid and work very hard, with a team of teachers, to produce and good finished product.  Good test scores, good grades, good attendance, and most of them go to college.  So, I would very much like to get merit pay for all the work I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just returned to these postings and found Teacher World&#8217;s last remark.  Yes, there are many factors that make an excellent teacher, just as there are many areas of performance where any employee must do well, regardless of the industry.  How well does your product function is a big question for me.  I can take very rough sophomores, work with them for a couple of years, and end up with some of the best students on campus.  I&#8217;ve had people say, &#8220;you get the best kids, that&#8217;s why you do so well.&#8221;  No, I get the regular kid and work very hard, with a team of teachers, to produce and good finished product.  Good test scores, good grades, good attendance, and most of them go to college.  So, I would very much like to get merit pay for all the work I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher World</title>
		<link>http://creatinglifelonglearners.com/?p=441&#038;cpage=1#comment-906</link>
		<dc:creator>Teacher World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who can really claim to have the formula for what makes an excellent teacher? There are so many factors, and the term is so nebulous that there is no way to adequately or fairly make this evaluation. It&#039;s not about when you arrive at school or how long you stay, which events you attend to support your children, what projects you come up with, or how your students scored on state achievement tests, and it&#039;s not about how young your are or how long you&#039;ve been teaching. It&#039;s about whether you are motivating your students to learn. Do you make learning exciting and fun? Do you enjoy what you do, and is that clear to your students? Do you adequately evaluate work performance and provide intervention when needed? Do you promptly and professionally deal with parents? Are you open to change and willing to be an on-going learner? Do you collaborate with your fellow teachers and work with them as a team? Do your state standards and benchmarks guide your teaching? And the list could go on and on.

Let&#039;s be real. What kind of evaluation process can be created to evaluate teachers in all these areas and more to determine who deserves merit pay? This is why I adamently oppose merit pay. Because really, if you are doing all of the things mentioned above, do you do it in the hopes of earning merit pay or because you are just a good teacher?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who can really claim to have the formula for what makes an excellent teacher? There are so many factors, and the term is so nebulous that there is no way to adequately or fairly make this evaluation. It&#8217;s not about when you arrive at school or how long you stay, which events you attend to support your children, what projects you come up with, or how your students scored on state achievement tests, and it&#8217;s not about how young your are or how long you&#8217;ve been teaching. It&#8217;s about whether you are motivating your students to learn. Do you make learning exciting and fun? Do you enjoy what you do, and is that clear to your students? Do you adequately evaluate work performance and provide intervention when needed? Do you promptly and professionally deal with parents? Are you open to change and willing to be an on-going learner? Do you collaborate with your fellow teachers and work with them as a team? Do your state standards and benchmarks guide your teaching? And the list could go on and on.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be real. What kind of evaluation process can be created to evaluate teachers in all these areas and more to determine who deserves merit pay? This is why I adamently oppose merit pay. Because really, if you are doing all of the things mentioned above, do you do it in the hopes of earning merit pay or because you are just a good teacher?</p>
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		<title>By: Brooks</title>
		<link>http://creatinglifelonglearners.com/?p=441&#038;cpage=1#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be helpful to see Debatepedia&#039;s comprehensive pro/con breakdown of the merit pay for teachers debate. It quotes from this article too, on the favoritism argument.

http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Debate:_Merit_pay_for_teachers#Con

Home page: http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Welcome_to_Debatepedia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be helpful to see Debatepedia&#8217;s comprehensive pro/con breakdown of the merit pay for teachers debate. It quotes from this article too, on the favoritism argument.</p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Debate:_Merit_pay_for_teachers#Con" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Debate:_Merit_pay_for_teachers#Con</a></p>
<p>Home page: <a href="http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Welcome_to_Debatepedia" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Welcome_to_Debatepedia</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Allan</title>
		<link>http://creatinglifelonglearners.com/?p=441&#038;cpage=1#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kia ora Mathew

I don&#039;t think it is possible to give merit pay with any degree of equity associated with how it is apportioned. But having an across-the-board pay scheme that does not take into account teaching circumstances isn&#039;t either.

Some education authorities award special allowances as they see fit, according to living costs related to a region in order, in some measure, to attract teachers to that region. London is such an area, for instance. But this, of course, is not a merit payment.

I wonder why the idea persists though, considering how many decades such merit award schemes for teachers have been discussed. And if award scheme eventuated, would the merit award be of a sufficient amount to provide what&#039;s sought, whether it be as an incentive to &lt;i&gt;better&lt;/i&gt; teaching, as an attraction for &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; teachers or whatever.

Teachers tend to do a lot of navel gazing when it comes to this topic. I think there&#039;s need for a bit of comparing to rationalise whether merit pay is appropriate in the first place.

I have a list of questions associated with this. I don&#039;t have any answers, but the questions may provide some perspective to the whole idea of merit pay: &lt;b&gt;

What merit award schemes exist within other like professions?

Where merit award schemes exist, how are they administered?

And by what portion of the normalised pay rate is the award calculated and apportioned?

And according to what criteria?

And to what extent are such schemes considered successful in lifting the quality of practice?&lt;/b&gt;

Catchya later</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora Mathew</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is possible to give merit pay with any degree of equity associated with how it is apportioned. But having an across-the-board pay scheme that does not take into account teaching circumstances isn&#8217;t either.</p>
<p>Some education authorities award special allowances as they see fit, according to living costs related to a region in order, in some measure, to attract teachers to that region. London is such an area, for instance. But this, of course, is not a merit payment.</p>
<p>I wonder why the idea persists though, considering how many decades such merit award schemes for teachers have been discussed. And if award scheme eventuated, would the merit award be of a sufficient amount to provide what&#8217;s sought, whether it be as an incentive to <i>better</i> teaching, as an attraction for <i>good</i> teachers or whatever.</p>
<p>Teachers tend to do a lot of navel gazing when it comes to this topic. I think there&#8217;s need for a bit of comparing to rationalise whether merit pay is appropriate in the first place.</p>
<p>I have a list of questions associated with this. I don&#8217;t have any answers, but the questions may provide some perspective to the whole idea of merit pay: <b></p>
<p>What merit award schemes exist within other like professions?</p>
<p>Where merit award schemes exist, how are they administered?</p>
<p>And by what portion of the normalised pay rate is the award calculated and apportioned?</p>
<p>And according to what criteria?</p>
<p>And to what extent are such schemes considered successful in lifting the quality of practice?</b></p>
<p>Catchya later</p>
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		<title>By: Delaine Zody</title>
		<link>http://creatinglifelonglearners.com/?p=441&#038;cpage=1#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>Delaine Zody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes, the teachers who come late and leave early are the ones whose classes are not engaging students.  Sure, we all leave early some days.  I was out of here at 3:10 yesterday and will try to do so today (but probably not because I have a parent conf at 2:45).

Teaching is an interesting profession in that we are always working (or so it seems to me).  Like you, Matthew, I am preparing at home morning and evening.  I set aside every Sunday afternoon to enter grades and get ready for the next week.  Yesterday, I heard some of my seniors grumbling about teachers who have not updated grades since February.  &quot;Not like Mrs. Zody, she puts our grades in every day.&quot;  Well, not quite, but it was nice to hear some appreciation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes, the teachers who come late and leave early are the ones whose classes are not engaging students.  Sure, we all leave early some days.  I was out of here at 3:10 yesterday and will try to do so today (but probably not because I have a parent conf at 2:45).</p>
<p>Teaching is an interesting profession in that we are always working (or so it seems to me).  Like you, Matthew, I am preparing at home morning and evening.  I set aside every Sunday afternoon to enter grades and get ready for the next week.  Yesterday, I heard some of my seniors grumbling about teachers who have not updated grades since February.  &#8220;Not like Mrs. Zody, she puts our grades in every day.&#8221;  Well, not quite, but it was nice to hear some appreciation.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Malley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Delaine

I&#039;m sure there are characteristics of this teacher that you&#039;re not sharing, because I&#039;m sure there are plenty of good teachers who leave early to pick up kids from daycare, work from the comfort of their home, etc.

Why don&#039;t we increase the pay of all teachers, then kick out the ones who aren&#039;t doing their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Delaine</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are characteristics of this teacher that you&#8217;re not sharing, because I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of good teachers who leave early to pick up kids from daycare, work from the comfort of their home, etc.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t we increase the pay of all teachers, then kick out the ones who aren&#8217;t doing their job.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Delaine

I must confess my bias here.  There are days when I stay late after school and I&#039;ve never missed a talent show, a literacy night, a science fair (all unpaid activities).  However, I frequently leave soon after the bell.  I spend a lot of my time at home writing about education, compiling resources, and planning for the school day.  I am sure there are people who just go home at the end of the day and never think about school but because of the way I structure my own day and my system of organization, I don&#039;t necessarily equate teachers staying late at school with greater merit...particularly after witnessing teachers in some schools spend their summer cleaning their classroom closets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Delaine</p>
<p>I must confess my bias here.  There are days when I stay late after school and I&#8217;ve never missed a talent show, a literacy night, a science fair (all unpaid activities).  However, I frequently leave soon after the bell.  I spend a lot of my time at home writing about education, compiling resources, and planning for the school day.  I am sure there are people who just go home at the end of the day and never think about school but because of the way I structure my own day and my system of organization, I don&#8217;t necessarily equate teachers staying late at school with greater merit&#8230;particularly after witnessing teachers in some schools spend their summer cleaning their classroom closets.</p>
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		<title>By: Delaine Zody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delaine Zody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very disheartening to see teachers who come at the bell in the morning and beat the kids to the parking lot getting the same pay as those of us who are working so hard to keep our kids engaged and raising test scores.  I am working with one who for 25 years has just slid by in our district and continues to do so now.  No one is requiring any changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very disheartening to see teachers who come at the bell in the morning and beat the kids to the parking lot getting the same pay as those of us who are working so hard to keep our kids engaged and raising test scores.  I am working with one who for 25 years has just slid by in our district and continues to do so now.  No one is requiring any changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Malley</title>
		<link>http://creatinglifelonglearners.com/?p=441&#038;cpage=1#comment-899</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve gotta agree with Sarah above. There is no causal connection between increased teacher pay and student learning. Why not take that money and invest it in teacher professional development?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve gotta agree with Sarah above. There is no causal connection between increased teacher pay and student learning. Why not take that money and invest it in teacher professional development?</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the issues of measurement.  That is the hardest part to reconcile when it comes to how to fairly measure growth and improvements between students.  But I have  place to start--  how about Merit Parenting!  How many schools would drastically improve if some/many parents just cared more about making sure their child is ready, on time and prepared for school each day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the issues of measurement.  That is the hardest part to reconcile when it comes to how to fairly measure growth and improvements between students.  But I have  place to start&#8211;  how about Merit Parenting!  How many schools would drastically improve if some/many parents just cared more about making sure their child is ready, on time and prepared for school each day?</p>
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